A modern Chinese copy (a dangerously convincing one too):
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australian-One-Florin-Two-Shilling-1931-/330856018229?pt=UK_Coins_World_RL&hash=item4d088e3135
I'm pretty sure his other coins are fake too.
oh dear
this 1934/5 florin is up to quite a few quids!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australian-One-Florin-Two-Shilling-Centenary-1934-1935-Coin-/330856012101?pt=UK_Coins_World_RL&hash=item4d088e1945
Why fake a worn 1931 florin?
Both fakes from the same seller......
Yeah that Centenary Florin is definitely a FAKE,weakness especially above the head are a dead giveaway.
Funny looking rough surfaces too.
Stangely enough I have yet to see a faked Canberra florin.
i suppose it is only a matter of time tho:dodgy:
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='6244' dateline='1358080751'Yeah that Centenary Florin is definitely a FAKE,weakness especially above the head are a dead giveaway.
Funny looking rough surfaces too.
wowsa
what a preddy coin you have there in your avatar !!! very very noice!!
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='6244' dateline='1358080751'Yeah that Centenary Florin is definitely a FAKE,weakness especially above the head are a dead giveaway.
Funny looking rough surfaces too.
I thought the rough surfaces were a giveaway - looked like it was cast.
And is the 1931 florin fake because of the inconsistent weakness in the portrait?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='6272' dateline='1358151407'Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='6244' dateline='1358080751'Yeah that Centenary Florin is definitely a FAKE,weakness especially above the head are a dead giveaway.
Funny looking rough surfaces too.
wowsa
what a preddy coin you have there in your avatar !!! very very noice!!
Stunning Obverse Roobbie but unfortunately has some scratches on the Reverse,just above the word PENNY.
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='6282' dateline='1358155179'Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='6244' dateline='1358080751'Yeah that Centenary Florin is definitely a FAKE,weakness especially above the head are a dead giveaway.
Funny looking rough surfaces too.
I thought the rough surfaces were a giveaway - looked like it was cast.
And is the 1931 florin fake because of the inconsistent weakness in the portrait?
To me the numbers in the date look to have rounded surfaces,iykwim.
Like there moulded not struck.
The obverse of the 1931 doesn't look right (details are there but they aren't precise), the surfaces are consistent with some fakes I've seen.
This could finish nasty
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-AUSTRALIAN-ONE-HALF-PENNY-GEORGE-V1-VERY-SCARCE-AND-GOOD-CONDITION-aUNC/263421175563?hash=item3d5520270b:g:YAYAAOSw8-FaT4iR
that seller is a 0.
Check out the fake crowns as well
excuse my ignorance, and I am just a novice, but how do you know they are fake besides the obvious that a person with a zero rating comes out of the blue with several rare coins?
Go to the articles tab on this site for the 23 halfpenny
http://www.thesandpit.net/
Great link, thankyou
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='113679' dateline='1515372284'This could finish nasty
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-AUSTRALIAN-ONE-HALF-PENNY-GEORGE-V1-VERY-SCARCE-AND-GOOD-CONDITION-aUNC/263421175563?hash=item3d5520270b:g:YAYAAOSw8-FaT4iR
The con artist has been reported to greedBay will be interesting to see if they remove the item :@
This guy is flogging off a few, The amount of the chinese 1967 Swan Dollars I've seen lately on there is not a good thing either, often seen them sell for similar prices to the real ones :(
http://stores.ebay.com.au/colections22/
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='113715' dateline='1515618301'This guy is flogging off a few, The amount of the chinese 1967 Swan Dollars I've seen lately on there is not a good thing either, often seen them sell for similar prices to the real ones :(
http://stores.ebay.com.au/colections22/
Is the fact that the writing on the 2x2 says
SWAN DORRAR a givaway that the seller is Chinese? :laugh2: On a more serious note I'm not even certain that it would be easy to get a conviction for faking the swan dollar as they were never official coins (but the cops should check sleezebay daily for fake coins and promptly arrest the sellers for passing fake coins).
What is the legal situation?
Chinese copies of, for example, 1925, 1930, 1937 and 1946 pennies are on eBay with "copy", "replica" (or some such) shown as being stamped on them. They are actually shipped without the stamp and treated to look aged. Is it legal; to possess one of those or is it only an offense to try to pass one off as genuine?
And what about the only two demonetised Australian coins -the Holy Dollar and the Dump? Same as above (whatever that may be) or a different law?
The AFP and RAM say it's all a no go but neither will do anything about it so really it's a total joke :dash1: I have posted the AFP and RAM links on FB and basically got told admin don't care as they're above the law and RAM say to contact AFP and they don't wanna know so I guess just do what you want as it's a free for all.
I think I've posted this here before as well but here it is again, taken from AFP site crimes act 1981 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/C2004A02499 , I notice they don't have the $ fines there any more so I don't know what happened unless it's in one of the other PDF thingies https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00973
8 Buying or selling non‑excepted counterfeit money or counterfeit securities
(1) A person shall not buy, sell, receive or dispose of, or offer to buy, sell, procure or dispose of, non‑excepted counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security.
(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person has a reasonable excuse.
Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (1A) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).
(2) A person shall not, with intent to defraud:
(a) buy, sell, receive or dispose of; or
(b) offer to buy, sell, procure or dispose of;
an excepted counterfeit coin.
Penalty:
(a) in the case of a person, not being a body corporate—imprisonment for 12 years; or
(b) in the case of a person, being a body corporate—600 penalty units.
9 Possessing counterfeit money or counterfeit securities
(1) A person shall not:
(a) have in his or her possession counterfeit money (not being an excepted counterfeit coin), knowing it to be counterfeit money; or
(b) have in his or her possession a counterfeit prescribed security, knowing it to be a counterfeit prescribed security.
(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person has a reasonable excuse.
Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (1A) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).
(2) It is a defence to a prosecution of a person for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to the possession of counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security if the person charged establishes to the satisfaction of the court:
(a) that he or she did not make the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security; and
(b) that he or she did not, after the time when he or she first learned that the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security was counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security or the time when he or she acquired the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security, whichever was the later time, have a reasonable opportunity to surrender it to a member of the Australian Federal Police or of the police force of a State or Territory or to any other person prescribed for the purposes of this section.
(3) A person shall not, with intent to defraud, have in the possession of the person an excepted counterfeit coin, knowing it to be counterfeit money.
Penalty:
(a) in the case of a person, not being a body corporate—imprisonment for 10 years; or
(b) in the case of a person, being a body corporate—500 penalty units.
I couldn't find the thing on counterfeit/fake coins but found this https://www.ramint.gov.au/using-coin-designs
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='113725' dateline='1515666083'The AFP and RAM say it's all a no go but neither will do anything about it so really it's a total joke :dash1: I have posted the AFP and RAM links on FB and basically got told admin don't care as they're above the law and RAM say to contact AFP and they don't wanna know so I guess just do what you want as it's a free for all.
I think I've posted this here before as well but here it is again, taken from AFP site crimes act 1981 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/C2004A02499 , I notice they don't have the $ fines there any more so I don't know what happened unless it's in one of the other PDF thingies https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00973
8 Buying or selling non‑excepted counterfeit money or counterfeit securities
(1) A person shall not buy, sell, receive or dispose of, or offer to buy, sell, procure or dispose of, non‑excepted counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security.
(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person has a reasonable excuse.
Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (1A) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).
(2) A person shall not, with intent to defraud:
(a) buy, sell, receive or dispose of; or
(b) offer to buy, sell, procure or dispose of;
an excepted counterfeit coin.
Penalty:
(a) in the case of a person, not being a body corporate—imprisonment for 12 years; or
(b) in the case of a person, being a body corporate—600 penalty units.
9 Possessing counterfeit money or counterfeit securities
(1) A person shall not:
(a) have in his or her possession counterfeit money (not being an excepted counterfeit coin), knowing it to be counterfeit money; or
(b) have in his or her possession a counterfeit prescribed security, knowing it to be a counterfeit prescribed security.
(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person has a reasonable excuse.
Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (1A) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).
(2) It is a defence to a prosecution of a person for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to the possession of counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security if the person charged establishes to the satisfaction of the court:
(a) that he or she did not make the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security; and
(b) that he or she did not, after the time when he or she first learned that the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security was counterfeit money or a counterfeit prescribed security or the time when he or she acquired the counterfeit money or counterfeit prescribed security, whichever was the later time, have a reasonable opportunity to surrender it to a member of the Australian Federal Police or of the police force of a State or Territory or to any other person prescribed for the purposes of this section.
(3) A person shall not, with intent to defraud, have in the possession of the person an excepted counterfeit coin, knowing it to be counterfeit money.
Penalty:
(a) in the case of a person, not being a body corporate—imprisonment for 10 years; or
(b) in the case of a person, being a body corporate—500 penalty units.
I couldn't find the thing on counterfeit/fake coins but found this https://www.ramint.gov.au/using-coin-designs
Well researched ausjack I've actually reported similar to these organisations ... too hard basket they don't give a rats
Yes so what's the point in having legislation :dash1:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='113679' dateline='1515372284'This could finish nasty
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-AUSTRALIAN-ONE-HALF-PENNY-GEORGE-V1-VERY-SCARCE-AND-GOOD-CONDITION-aUNC/263421175563?hash=item3d5520270b:g:YAYAAOSw8-FaT4iR
Yipes :shok: :shock: $710 for that piece of rubbish :@
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='113767' dateline='1515813039'Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='113679' dateline='1515372284'This could finish nasty
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-AUSTRALIAN-ONE-HALF-PENNY-GEORGE-V1-VERY-SCARCE-AND-GOOD-CONDITION-aUNC/263421175563?hash=item3d5520270b:g:YAYAAOSw8-FaT4iR
Yipes :shok: :shock: $710 for that piece of rubbish :@
Yes and I REPORTED THIS TO eBay but they didn't remove item :@
Quote from: 'runway' pid='113774' dateline='1515926143'Yes and I REPORTED THIS TO eBay but they didn't remove item :@
I knew you did runway, it's frustrating that they seem to be lacking in so many ways. Once upon a time it was possible to contact the buyer, but not now it appears.
Have a search for 1932 florins, 1925 pennies in AUNC or UNC - almost all are fake and tens of thousands of dollars of sales have occurred over the past 30 days.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113784' dateline='1515991462'Have a search for 1932 florins, 1925 pennies in AUNC or UNC - almost all are fake and tens of thousands of dollars of sales have occurred over the past 30 days.
The criminals are the sellers and eBay and shill bidders
The victims are naïve buyers
eBay need to be shut down pending a criminal investigation
I see what you mean, some crazy stuff going on. Florins that were described as copies albeit at the bottom of the listing, and sold for $10, look more authentic than others that sold for up to $2,000.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='113787' dateline='1516013387'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113784' dateline='1515991462'Have a search for 1932 florins, 1925 pennies in AUNC or UNC - almost all are fake and tens of thousands of dollars of sales have occurred over the past 30 days.
The criminals are the sellers and eBay and shill bidders
The victims are naïve buyers
eBay need to be shut down pending a criminal investigation
It's criminal if they have reasonable reason to believe they're fake.
If they got plethora of reports then they would have been required to investigate it.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113794' dateline='1516140708'Quote from: 'runway' pid='113787' dateline='1516013387'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113784' dateline='1515991462'Have a search for 1932 florins, 1925 pennies in AUNC or UNC - almost all are fake and tens of thousands of dollars of sales have occurred over the past 30 days.
The criminals are the sellers and eBay and shill bidders
The victims are naïve buyers
eBay need to be shut down pending a criminal investigation
It's criminal if they have reasonable reason to believe they're fake.
If they got plethora of reports then they would have been required to investigate it.
.
This seller has been reported by heaps of people including myself on all of her fake coins.There is even a post on Facebook discussing it in detail and I'd say many from facebook have reported the seller as well so ebay has no excuse on this occasion.I don't think ebay needs to be shut down but just hauled over the coals after all there are many honest people trading on the site
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='113795' dateline='1516141420'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113794' dateline='1516140708'Quote from: 'runway' pid='113787' dateline='1516013387'Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='113784' dateline='1515991462'Have a search for 1932 florins, 1925 pennies in AUNC or UNC - almost all are fake and tens of thousands of dollars of sales have occurred over the past 30 days.
The criminals are the sellers and eBay and shill bidders
The victims are naïve buyers
eBay need to be shut down pending a criminal investigation
It's criminal if they have reasonable reason to believe they're fake.
If they got plethora of reports then they would have been required to investigate it.
.
This seller has been reported by heaps of people including myself on all of her fake coins.There is even a post on Facebook discussing it in detail and I'd say many from facebook have reported the seller as well so ebay has no excuse on this occasion.I don't think ebay needs to be shut down but just hauled over the coals after all there are many honest people trading on the site
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Gentlemen it's time eBay becomes accountable for hosting crooks with deliberate fraud items, enough is enough we are sick of this crap has anyone have an idea how to beat those bastards?
Not exactly a fake but certainly misrepresented. RARE1927 FLORIN AUSTRALIAN PARLIAMENT HOUSE COIN NO DATE VALUABLE ANY CONDITION (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE1927-FLORIN-AUSTRALIAN-PARLIAMENT-HOUSE-COIN-NO-DATE-VALUABLE-ANY-CONDITION-/152949091779?hash=item239c79edc3%3Ag%3A%7EqsAAOSw-09aQvpJ&nma=true&si=Z%252Fx1dy9SY6LjXFMw9GkZ7W1v5XM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
I put the silver value of a well worn pre-1945 florin at about $7. That's all it's worth. Remnants of the date can still be seen.
He had to relist it four times before some gullible bidders came along. Sad really.
Also had $170 buy it now price on it!
I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='114662' dateline='1522190432'I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Unfortunately that is true Basil and I the hosts of this forum have posted it
https://www.australian-coins.com/collecting-coins/counterfeit-fake-1966-round-silver-50-cent-coins/
:@
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1991-ERROR-PROOF-Coin-Set-1990-10c-COMMEMORATING-25-YEARS-0F-DECIMAL-COINS-/263573712099
Report this flog as I have done
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='114662' dateline='1522190432'I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Got a link to one?
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='114672' dateline='1522235744'Quote from: 'Basil' pid='114662' dateline='1522190432'I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Got a link to one?
Nah,i noticed the warning not the Coin.I'll have a look over the W/end to see where they are listed.
Where is this all going to end???
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='114672' dateline='1522235744'Quote from: 'Basil' pid='114662' dateline='1522190432'I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Got a link to one?
I don't use Facef*** as they sell your info. But there are fake 1966 50 cents on Aliexpress.com for US 1.56 (with free shipping to Australia by China Post ordinary small packet). So they are selling us fake legal tender and then we subsidise their postage :shock:
Only found that Chinese government permitted site when researching the '38 crown (US 1.08 each). If you want them they also have 1916 mule halfpence. 1921 overdate and all the other scarce and rare dates. But wait, there's more...you can also purchase common date (1934, 1936) florins that look VF (great for padding out bulk lots). Not one is stamped COPY. :@
Oh goody, can't wait for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='114684' dateline='1522323887'Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='114672' dateline='1522235744'Quote from: 'Basil' pid='114662' dateline='1522190432'I noticed on FB that fake 1966 50c pieces are áppearing. Does anyone know anything about it??
Got a link to one?
I don't use Facef*** as they sell your info. But there are fake 1966 50 cents on Aliexpress.com for US 1.56 (with free shipping to Australia by China Post ordinary small packet). So they are selling us fake legal tender and then we subsidise their postage :shock:
Only found that Chinese government permitted site when researching the '38 crown (US 1.08 each). If you want them they also have 1916 mule halfpence. 1921 overdate and all the other scarce and rare dates. But wait, there's more...you can also purchase common date (1934, 1936) florins that look VF (great for padding out bulk lots). Not one is stamped COPY.
Disgusting how Chinese are cloning/copying everything and worst is that eBay allow it and Australian coin collectors are being conned :@
It must be real. It's in a case.
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-1946-KGVI-Scarce-Bronze-Key-Date-Penny-Coin-UNC/223000875088?hash=item33ebe35050:g:nZIAAOSwdhlbEn5r (https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-1946-KGVI-Scarce-Bronze-Key-Date-Penny-Coin-UNC/223000875088?hash=item33ebe35050:g:nZIAAOSwdhlbEn5r)
Seems to be quite a few fakes coming out of Cyprus
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1925-Australia-florin-Unc-rare/222966935468?hash=item33e9dd6fac:g:IicAAOSwXyla7azU (https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1925-Australia-florin-Unc-rare/222966935468?hash=item33e9dd6fac:g:IicAAOSwXyla7azU)
Quote from: '123456789' pid='115560' dateline='1527957826'It must be real. It's in a case.
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-1946-KGVI-Scarce-Bronze-Key-Date-Penny-Coin-UNC/223000875088?hash=item33ebe35050:g:nZIAAOSwdhlbEn5r (https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Australia-1946-KGVI-Scarce-Bronze-Key-Date-Penny-Coin-UNC/223000875088?hash=item33ebe35050:g:nZIAAOSwdhlbEn5r)
So are a lot of PCGS slabbed "coins" :whistle2:
What if the TPG's kicked off a registry set for fakes, and if you could show you were ripped off by a certain amount on a predetermined sliding scale, you would then attract whatever bonus points were relevant for that particular level :yahoo: :dodgy: :blush: :angel:
I've reported these and so should everyone
Rather than name these people, (fakes), here in open forum, why not send a pm to those that are prepared to do the same as you.
this has just been sent to me ,I don't know if it's been around before
Chinese fakes (https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202)
Yes Interest, if the Chinese army has not blown that joint up for making Chinese fakes, they are probably still in buisness.
My joke was always that when you order from them on the net all they want to know is how many do you want and what grade?
Any Aussie coin. you name it.............38 crowns, 30 pennies, 20s Sovereigns, 45 pennies, 1909 florins, holey dollars, 21od 3ds.......
There was a net seller called Amazon "Lucys Coins" or some such and most coins were just dollars to buy and locals sell them for any amount that works on ebay. Just order and we send!!
Selling fakes that are obviuos seems to have died, now they go for coins you cannot tell the difference between dud and genuine unless you know the coin well and are aware of die markers etc. Like we are now with the 1930 penny, the dodgy brother sellers have given up trying to flog off dud 1930's.
Some collectors reckon that most 34/35 florins and 38 crowns on ebay are fakes.
Buyer beware!
Fred.