List of PCGS fake slabs

[nealeffendi]

This is a list to which we can add reported fake slabs as they become known

Centenary florin (1934-35) MS64  PCGS # 14303288 
1946 Penny MS64BN PCGS # 14721585

[Goldseeker]

May I suggest a link be posted as well please.

[nealeffendi]

Hi Goldie
1/The Centenary #14303288 is Walters post (fake slab on Ebay)
2/The '46 penny # 14721585 is at Sterling and Currency
Also found a great website that shows thousands of fakes. its at https://flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay Most of the fakes would fool me (I'm a novice at most world coins) and I spent some time admiring the quality of many of the fakes. If they can do such a nice job on many of the world fakes what happens when they put that effort into our little pond?
The '46 penny is there (same slab as Sterling? or did the fakers make multiple copies with the same #).
3/ Site also has an MS65 Centenary PCGS # 13300247
4/ Site also has a XF45 1925 penny # 13617550 (note the slab doesn't have XF45BN just XF45)
All 4 cert #s match real coins.

[wwwww]

Cert numbers are not a good way of identifying them as they are original cert numbers that have been copied so it wrongfully identifies an authentic coin as a fake, it's better to post up photos of the slabs.

[nealeffendi]

Disagree Walter. I understand that these cert numbers exist on the original genuine coins but if you want an easy to refer to list it is easier to just have the cert numbers. If by chance you are offered the genuine original you would just take extra are before buying. To upload/download images would get complicated if for example you collect foreign coins as  at that website I referred to it has several thousand images over 37 pages (nearly all fake slabs). Just to scroll through those 37 pages takes half an hour but anyone can make a list to carry with them and refer to in seconds (especially if they list in cert numerical order).

[fred lever]

This "PGCS" system is a thing created to package coins in a way that infers they are as described and genuine (I don't know how they can actually prove the genuine part) to take the worry away from the buyer.  I would venture that most people buy a coin from the description of the plastic box by the part number and especially for an investor would not know if the coin contained inside was the real deal or a wooden clone. That is we are buying and selling plastic boxes by part number and description only because it is convenient and we trust the PCGS people to know their stuff.
 As I am then buying by the part number I would certainly like a list of part numbers found to be suspicious or dead set copied so I could investigate the particular coin further or run a mile from it.
I think we are getting a bit away from actually looking at a coin and assessing it to be genuine ourselves, possibly assisted by an good auction image if not in actual view. Now we are looking at a plastic box and trying to work out if that is genuine!
The people who trap coins in plastic and purport them selves to be "experts" don't seem to have a good track record? Were there not several Australian services that came and went found to be wanting?
Fred.

[runway]

This "PGCS" system is a thing created to package coins in a way that infers they are as described and genuine (I don't know how they can actually prove the genuine part) to take the worry away from the buyer.  I would venture that most people buy a coin from the description of the plastic box by the part number and especially for an investor would not know if the coin contained inside was the real deal or a wooden clone. That is we are buying and selling plastic boxes by part number and description only because it is convenient and we trust the PCGS people to know their stuff.
 As I am then buying by the part number I would certainly like a list of part numbers found to be suspicious or dead set copied so I could investigate the particular coin further or run a mile from it.
I think we are getting a bit away from actually looking at a coin and assessing it to be genuine ourselves, possibly assisted by an good auction image if not in actual view. Now we are looking at a plastic box and trying to work out if that is genuine!
The people who trap coins in plastic and purport them selves to be "experts" don't seem to have a good track record? Were there not several Australian services that came and went found to be wanting?
Fred.

APCGS was dodgy Fred and now shut down 
PCGS is where most people send their coins to be slabbed

[serenitystan]

What about the people who PURPORT themselves to be ''experts and overgrade the coin to fill there pockets!!!!!!. The only thing that cannot be faked is a Politician or a Parramatta road car salesman.. Also if you had a few very nice Australian florins you believed where Choice/Gem unc that you wanted to sell, you would be a fool not to have them graded by PCGS. You only have to look at the prices at auctions between RAW and GRADED coins..  Fake PCGS-NGC slabs is a SIMPLE fix. All they need to do is implement a High Resolution photo of the coin.

[serenitystan]

Something Fishy on Ebay. Just reported to items to Ebay . Both are the same banknote. One is for $7500.00 and the other for $1000.00 .No392167600327-  No35255793836.. The sellers who is asking $1000.00 has a ZERO past sales record..

[Unicorn]

Looks like the $1000 one has been removed already.

[jens coins]

Its still there

352557937836

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-UNC-1961-R34Sb-ONE-POUND-STAR-NOTE-99047-Only-1000-ono/352557937836

[Unicorn]

How odd Jen, I couldn't find it before using the item number. Thanks for the link.

[serenitystan]

''ÝEAH'' it's still there 24 hours after i reported it to Ebay. So what happens to the poor person who sends the seller $1000.00 bucks only to find out later that the seller has vanished into thin air. Does Ebay or Paypal reimburse $1000.00 to the buyer??.

[nealeffendi]

''ÝEAH'' it's still there 24 hours after i reported it to Ebay. So what happens to the poor person who sends the seller $1000.00 bucks only to find out later that the seller has vanished into thin air. Does Ebay or Paypal reimburse $1000.00 to the buyer??.

If they pay by Paypal then yes they will get their money back if they make their claim on time. Fraudsters might be relying on X% of buyers not making the claim on time such that the funds that paypal holds are released (30 days? I'm sure some seller knows the exact holding period). Particular risk is when the posting times (overseas for example) can be 3-4 weeks and the seller will ask the buyer to wait just a few more days....

[jens coins]

It has sold now for $1000.